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Similarities with Crest Creek Prov Park on Van Is. 1 year 3 months ago #12

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A FaceBook group (Vancouver Island Climbing and Mountaineering, for those interested) currently has a lively discussion on BC Parks, park users, and the Master Plan for Crest Creek Crags Provincial Park on Vancouver Island. There seem to be some similarities with the Garibaldi problem. For example:

- The Ministry failed to meet any of the commitments they made to the club when they signed the original agreement.

- The Ministry routinely misplaces important documentation provided by the club.

- The Ministry has failed to follow management guidelines set out for Crest Creek in the ‘Amended Master Plan’ for Strathcona Park (2001). Primarily, the Ministry failed to support the ‘Crest Creek Steering Committee’, leaving the club to plan, fund and develop the area alone.

- The Ministry unilaterally terminated the original agreement without consulting with, or even notifying, the club, leaving volunteer workers uninsured for up to eighteen years! (I guess it’s lucky nobody got hurt!).

- Failing even to respond, the Ministry ignored a new agreement proposal conceived and submitted by the club in 2005. The Ministry also missed this excellent opportunity to inform the club that their original agreement had been terminated.

- The club is absolutely outraged that the Ministry altered the official minutes of the March 2014 SPPAC meeting in ways that slander and discredit the club. In all, thirteen alterations were made to the minutes before they were published, including the omission of entire sentences.

It may be worthwhile establishing contact with this group and seeing if there is any common ground.

Glenn
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Similarities with Crest Creek Prov Park on Van Is. 1 year 1 month ago #16

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This is mainly a climbing issue but there are also trails involved.

On the Squamish Rock Facebook page:
www.facebook.com/groups/squamishrockclimbing/

July 11th 2016:
"Hello fellow climbers. Just wanted to share this info that's going on over on Vancouver island at Crest Creek. Local climbing crag thats located in Strathcona park. I'm sure many of you have heard of or been there. Long story short BC parks is kicking everyone out of the climbers camp that has been in place for over 25 years. They will not hold talks with the local climbing club the Heathens to work out this issue. BC parks and DFO have shown up to kick all climbers out of the camp, put a stop on all new route development and have fined climbers up to 1500$ in fines with more coming today. I feel its very important that all climbers around BC know what's going on within our parks and how the BC parks system is failing. Please show your support by sharing what's going on at Crest Creek. Or if your on the island please come show your support at Crest creek at a friendly sit in that's going on all week and this coming weekend. They people sitting in right now are getting hammered with fines instead of Bc parks working out a solution. We need your support.Thanks for reading."

On the Vancouver Island Climbing and Mountaineering Group:
www.facebook.com/groups/islandclimbing/

July 11th 2016:
"After repeated attempts to contact BC parks by Heathens mountaineering this how they respond. Kicking people out of Strathcona park, handing out 1500$ in fines and coming back to crest today to hand out more. This was one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen go on in our parks. If you care about Crest creek please come out and show your support in a friendly sit in. All this week and this up coming weekend. What BC parks is doing is uncalled for and very cowardly. So please come out and show support. Thank you."

Date unknown:
"For everyone that is interested in what has been happening at Crest Creek regarding volunteer work and B.C Parks, here’s the status of the proposed ‘Crest Creek Crags Maintenance Agreement’:
On January 26, 2016, the Parks branch issued a stop work order to the Heathens Club regarding their maintenance projects at Crest Creek. The club has officially maintained the trail network at the crags since 1993, but now the ministry is demanding that the club volunteers enter a new agreement before work can continue. The club refuses to sign the new agreement proposed for multiple reasons.
Firstly;
The Club has several outstanding grievances that remain from their previous (1995) agreement with the Ministry that would need to be resolved before any new proposal could be considered. They are as follows:
- The Ministry failed to meet any of the commitments they made to the club when they signed the original agreement.
- The Ministry routinely misplaces important documentation provided by the club.
- The Ministry has failed to follow management guidelines set out for Crest Creek in the ‘Amended Master Plan’ for Strathcona Park (2001). Primarily, the Ministry failed to support the ‘Crest Creek Steering Committee’, leaving the club to plan, fund and develop the area alone.
- The Ministry unilaterally terminated the original agreement without consulting with, or even notifying, the club, leaving volunteer workers uninsured for up to eighteen years! (I guess it’s lucky nobody got hurt!).
- Failing even to respond, the Ministry ignored a new agreement proposal conceived and submitted by the club in 2005. The Ministry also missed this excellent opportunity to inform the club that their original agreement had been terminated.
- The Ministry endorsed volunteer efforts to acquire grants from Mountain Equipment Co-op and the Access Society, as well as additional funding, labour, materials, tools, equipment and expertise from the club, knowing that the volunteer agreement was terminated. This misrepresentation resulted in benefits to the Ministry valued at millions of dollars. At this time (2006/07) there was never any indication that future club access to projects funded in part by these grants would suddenly require a signed volunteer agreement.
Next, more recently;
- Generally, the Ministry new volunteer agreement proposals have been manipulative, unrealistic, administration heavy and poorly worded.
- The club finds it unacceptable that even though none of the Ministry’s current employees were present in 1995 at the time the initial agreement was conceived and signed, when they were confronted with the clubs grievances Ministry staff denied the existence of the pact altogether.
- Thought the club refused the new agreement proposal in March of 2014, the Ministry has repeatedly lured the club back to successive meetings with the promise of concessions. Instead, the most recent proposal includes extra administration and several punitive measures that were added to the previously rejected offerings. These additional burdens lead the club to believe that the Ministry is singling out the club as a reactionary measure to the clubs refusal to sign.
- The club is absolutely outraged that the Ministry altered the official minutes of the March 2014 SPPAC meeting in ways that slander and discredit the club. In all, thirteen alterations were made to the minutes before they were published, including the omission of entire sentences.
Thirdly;
The club objects to much of the content in the agreement proposals, but has particularly grievous concerns regarding the following;
- The Ministry has not included any mechanism for dispute resolution in any of the agreement proposals. A signable proposal would contain an impartial process for resolving disputes like the current one should they arise in the future.
- The Confidentiality and Conflict of Interest clauses are unnecessary, and both are subject to possible abuse by the Ministry. In the case of the Confidentiality clause, the club asserts that it is counter to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and should be offensive to all citizens who believe in free speech.
Finally;
The Ministry is attempting to impose restrictions on the club that other groups in other parks are not subject to, such as;
- The Ministry is attempting to tie new routing and permission to hold the Heathens annual summer camp at Crest Creek to the signing of a new volunteer agreement. The club notes that others have unrestricted access to new routing in other parks, such as Stawamus Chief, Murrin and Bugaboo Provincial Parks, without an agreement. Further, why would the Ministry pre-deny any request to hold a camp? It should also be noted that the Heathens Camp and, obviously new routing at Crest Creek preceded the 1995 volunteer agreement by more than a decade.
The camp is an important annual date on the regional climbing and conservation community calendar, and provides a venue for important networking, an irreplaceable mentoring environment and the clubs only opportunity to gather together each year. It is both cruel and unwise for the Ministry to pursue a policy of harassing thirty-year volunteers who provide a multimillion dollar boost to local economies at no cost to the taxpayer simply they wish to withdraw their support.
Conclusion;
These attempts to intimidate and punish the club for rejecting the new proposals by restricting new routing and withholding permission for their camp, while increasing the clubs maintenance burden and piling on additional administration, are unfortunate. This does nothing to resolve the Crest Creek problem and serves only to further alienate local climbers.
The club notes with amusement that if as the Ministry asserts, the original 1995 agreement was only for three months duration, then all but one of the twenty-three summer camps that have been held at Crest Creek since 1993 have been permitted without a volunteer agreement in place. We further remind the Ministry that the first Crest Creek camp in June 1993 preceded the 1995 agreement by almost two years. After ignoring the club’s proposal for a new agreement in 2005 and allowing twenty-two summer camps, why are volunteer agreements suddenly so vital? These actions on the part of the Ministry are extremely contradictory.
The club smells a rat.
The Heathens club continues to request the opportunity to actually negotiate a fair volunteer agreement in consultation with the Ministry, or that the dispute be adjudicated by an impartial mediator. In the meantime, if you see a bunch of garbage at Crest Creek, pick it up for me. If I do it I may be subject to “eviction from the park, the issuance of tickets and/or court action”.
Written for the Heathens Club by Chris Barner."

Additional information:
access-society.ericgoodwin.com/pdfs/crestcreek.pdf
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